Inside the Last Debate with Charlie Kirk-Hunter Kozak Speaks

Channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan has built a reputation for going where others won’t, capturing raw stories that cut to the heart of America’s tensions. In the video “The Last Person to Debate Charlie Kirk (Exclusive Interview),” Callaghan sits down with Hunter, a young math major who unexpectedly became part of history — the last person to publicly debate conservative commentator Charlie Kirk before his tragic assassination at Utah Valley University.

A Debate with Higher Stakes Than Expected

Hunter shares that he attended Kirk’s event with one goal: to challenge what he viewed as misleading claims tying transgender people to mass shootings. Armed with statistical analysis, he had already produced a video debunking this idea, highlighting that transgender individuals are actually underrepresented in such tragedies. His mission was not about clout or spectacle — it was about defending truth against dangerous rhetoric.

As the debate unfolded, however, everything changed. In the middle of Hunter’s argument, a single gunshot rang out. Chaos erupted as the crowd dove for cover. While many initially thought it was the beginning of a mass shooting, Hunter recalls instantly recognizing it as a targeted assassination attempt.

Witnessing Tragedy in Real Time

Hunter’s recollections are chilling. He describes how surreal the moment felt, as if the ground itself had shifted. One second he was debating policy; the next, he was caught in a flashpoint of violence. Importantly, he emphasizes that this wasn’t a random act of mass carnage — it was one deliberate act that ended a man’s life in front of thousands.

Shock, Division, and Reflection

The video doesn’t stop at recounting events. Channel 5 captures the reactions that followed:

• Shock and Mourning – People grappled with the reality that political discourse had ended in bloodshed.

• Escalating Tensions – Commentators worried about what this might signal for America’s already fragile political climate.

• Online Reactions – The internet lit up with polarized responses: conspiracy theories, celebrations from extremists, and debates over whether the assassination symbolized a deeper fracture in American society.

Hunter, however, speaks from a place of sorrow. He stresses that despite his disagreements with Kirk, no one deserves to lose their life this way. He reflects on what he calls the “sin of certainty” — the dangerous conviction that one’s beliefs justify stripping others of humanity.

A Somber Reminder

Channel 5’s video is more than an interview — it’s a mirror reflecting the state of our nation. Certainty has hardened into division, and division into violence. Yet within Hunter’s grief lies a quiet reminder: that beyond our ideologies and statistics, there are human lives at stake.

In a time when politics can feel like a sport, his words call us back to empathy, dialogue, and understanding.

👉 You can watch the full interview here: The Last Person to Debate Charlie Kirk (Exclusive Interview)